"Our earthly liturgies must be celebrations full of beauty and power: Feasts of the Father who created us—that is why the gifts of the earth play such a great part: the bread, the wine, oil and light, incense, sacred music, and splendid colors. Feasts of the Son who redeemed us—that is why we rejoice in our liberation, breathe deeply in listening to the Word, and are strengthened in eating the Eucharistic Gifts. Feasts of the Holy Spirit who lives in us—that is why there is a wealth of consolation, knowledge, courage, strength, and blessing that flows from these sacred assemblies." unknown source possibly YOUCAT Mal.1.11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith theLord of hosts.

Monday, May 19, 2014

Imprecatory psalms

the following is from various religious sites---including Protestant

from http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=260


A proper view of the imprecatory Psalms recognizes the following Biblical principles:

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1) First, as the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 1) says: “Man’s chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy Him forever.” Commenting on the imprecatory sections of Psalm 69, John Calvin wrote: “It was a holy zeal for the divine glory which impelled him [the Psalmist] to summon the wicked to God’s judgment seat.”(11) This being the case, the imprecatory Psalmists are to be seen as men who expressed a burning desire that God be glorified. They earnestly sought the vindication of God’s name (Psalm 9:19-20; 83:16-18). As sin is an affront to the holiness of God, states David, it must be judged accordingly (Psalm 139:19-20).


2) The authors of the Book of Psalms were fully aware of the fact that the meting out of vengeance is a divine prerogative. In Deuteronomy 32:35, we read: “Vengeance is Mine [God’s], and recompense.” The imprecations are to be understood as prayers to God, not the intended actions of the Psalmists themselves. This being so, the Psalmist’s cause is identified with the cause of God (Psalm 139:19-22).(12) The Psalmist, then, is duty bound to pray for the overthrow of God’s enemies. Johannes Vos said it this way:

The total destruction of evil, including the judicial destruction of evil men, is the prerogative of the sovereign God, and it is right not only to pray for the accomplishment of this destruction, but even to assist in effecting it when commanded to do so by God Himself…. God is both sovereign and righteous; He possesses the unquestionable right to destroy all evil in His universe; if it is right for God to plan and effect this destruction, then it is right also for the saints to pray for the same.(13)

3) Contrary to the criticism of the skeptics, the attitude of the Psalmists is not one of vindictiveness. David disclaims any such notion in Psalm 109:5, where we read: “Thus they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.” On two occasions, when opportunity availed, David declined to take Saul’s life (2 Samuel 24, 26). Moreover, he even prayed for his enemies when they were in need (Psalm 35:12-14). And in Psalm 83:16-18, we read that the Psalmist sought the ultimate salvation of the wicked: “Fill their faces with shame, that they may seek Your name, O LORD…that men may know that You, whose name alone is the LORD, are the Most High over all the Earth.” Todd Ruddell commented:


The words of the Psalter ought to be understood…not as an expression of an angry author or fulminations of a firebrand, but as the sentiments of God Himself, the thoughts of the Psalmist being raised by that powerful Spirit of prophecy, above mere human vendetta and cursing. The expressions of the Psalmist against sinners are God’s expressions. They are the thoughts of His heart.(14)


4) To pray the imprecatory prayers is to pray for the overthrow of Satan and his minions. If God’s kingdom is to advance, in accordance with the Lord’s Prayer (which believers are enjoined to pray): “Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven” (Matthew 6:10), then the kingdom of the evil one must be destroyed. God’s glory necessitates the destruction of the wicked. Imprecatory prayers aim at just this. The Lord’s Prayer is itself a prayer for the overthrow of evil.


5) Along this same line of thought, the inspired writers recognized that God is the only true defense for the elect, as they are being assaulted by the reprobate. Hence, to pray against the Psalmist’s enemies is to pray for the help of God’s people. In Psalm 7:9-10, for instance, we read: Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end, but establish the just….My defense is of God, who saves the upright in heart.”


Conclusion
A Biblical view of the imprecatory Psalms does not recognize them as problematic. To invoke divine retribution on the enemies of God and His people is to pray in accordance with the revealed will of God. After all, these Psalms are a part of the infallible and inerrant “collection of songs and prayers covering a variety of themes.” And they, being as fully inspired as the rest of Scripture, are “profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17).


This being so, Vos correctly concluded:

Instead of being influenced by the sickly sentimentalism of the present day, Christian people should realize that the glory of God demands the destruction of evil…[therefore] instead of being ashamed of the imprecatory Psalms, and attempting to apologize for them and explain them away, Christian people should glory in them and not hesitate to use them in the public and private exercises of the worship of God.(15)
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from http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/asbury-bible-commentary/Imprecatory-Psalms

D. Imprecatory Psalms (Pss 5, 10, 17, 35, 58, 59, 69, 70, 79, 83, 109, 129, 137, 140)

These “imprecatory psalms” are prayer songs so designated because of their particularly vigorous attitude toward the enemy. The verb “imprecate” means “to pray evil against” or “to invoke curse upon” another, hence the name for these prayers. There is no indication that the editors of the Psalter or the ancient petitioners in the first or second temple would have distinguished these particular prayers from the other tep̱illôṯ, where frequent petition to God for the death and destruction of the foe rises. Their identification itself is a matter of judgment and moral sensitivity. For that reason this commentary includes them in the treatment of the groups to which they best belong, “Prayers for Deliverance From Accusation and Persecution” and “Prayers for Restoration From National Distress and Defeat.” Still, for the Christian reader at least, these poems deserve comment, for they jar the sensitivities of those whose Master taught them to love their enemies and pray for (not against) their persecutors (Mt 5:44).

The Christian reader must begin by accepting these prayers as they are, by and large the cries of God's people for vengeance for unspeakable atrocities against them as God's people and those places sacred to them and to him. The best reading will refrain from spiritualizing the enemy or the petitions or the blessings thereby diminishing the depth of the agony felt and the vehemence of the action sought.

The disciple of Jesus must also realize that any disquiet he or she feels in reading these prayers is due to the redeeming influence of the Lord and his apostles, not to any particular moral sensitivity naturally possessed by the “enlightened” reader. Contemporary readers would have no problem, were it not “given” them by the same Scripture that preserves both these poems and the teachings that call them into question. This sensitivity surely does not rise out of pure Enlightenment refinement or “modern maturity.” Secular humanism can never on its own support values sufficient to impugn these prayers. Thus one will do well to refrain from patronizing or moralizing approaches to these works.

Contemporary readers, particularly those in more affluent societies, can allow these prayers to help them enter the suffering life of the people of God, to transport them from their relative ease into the ghastly suffering and consternation of persons who have been uprooted, mocked, or abused. These prayers awaken the conscience to the human cry for redress, the cosmic demand for moral order and justice. They can lead one to feel as deeply as one ought the horrendous insult to Yahweh and his creation perpetrated by those who lie and cheat and kill and abuse and blaspheme. Made callous by exposure to continual evil, one may lose the sense of outrage these evils deserve, whether done to us or to others or to God. These prayers awaken that outrage, which is to be offered to God and which motivates to redemptive action.

Beyond these instructive appropriations the imprecatory prayers must point the followers of Jesus beyond themselves to a loftier vision of prayer, as noted above, for, not against, “the enemy,” a form of prayer taught by our Master (Mt 5:1143-48) and modeled by the earliest church (1 Pe 2:19-25). This vision does not set aside the call for justice and vindication, but places these matters in God's hands for the eschaton (Ro 2Rev 2:19ff.; 18).

These prayers can also articulate our own disquiet when we are caught in the agony and emotional upheaval of life's incongruities and injustices. When, for whatever reasons, we find ourselves unable to appropriate the mind of the Master for “the enemy,” these prayers can provide a place of prayer from which to start, leading through the desire for vengeance to the prayer for blessing and redemption to which we are called. Further, having begun with their primary point, the forceful response to actual sin and evil against the people of God, one can walk through this door to the larger arena of our own desires for the destruction of evil in our own lives and our disdain for those enemies within.


A reflection of godly thinking

"There is a kind of hate for the sinner (viewed as morally corrupt and hostile to God) that may coexist with pity and even a desire for their salvation... [T]hat there comes a point of such extended, hardened, high-handed lovelessness toward God that it may be appropriate to call down anathema on it."John Piper [1]
"...it is appropriate that we pray that Christ would vindicate his holy name and program by destroying the enemies of righteousness, just as he preserves those who love his name." ^[2]^

Not a matter of personal revenge

The imprecatory Psalms are not a matter of personal revenge; rather, these “harsh” statements reflect the Psalmist's (David’s) awareness of God’s justice and his intolerance for sin. Walter Kaiser has observed:
“They [these hard sayings] are not statements of personal vendetta, but they are utterances of zeal for the kingdom of God and his glory. To be sure, the attacks which provoked these prayers were not from personal enemies; rather, they were rightfully seen as attacks against God and especially his representatives in the promised line of the Messiah.” [3]

Explanations of what would happen

"...they merely were stating what would happen to the wicked; they were not actually asking God to destroy the wicked." [4]

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  the many imprecations in the New Testament:
  • Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
  • Matthew 26:23-24 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. 24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
  • 1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
  • Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
  • Galatians 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
  • 2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
  • Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

As Christians, all of us have read or heard the famous “Sermon on the Mount” and have most probably read Christ’s teaching on “Loving our enemies as well as our neighbor”. All of us know of “Loving ones Enemy” as a New Testament teaching. So much so, that many believe that the Old Testament taught one to “love ones neighbor” but “hate ones enemy”, while Christ taught that one should love the enemy just like the neighbor. But it is interesting to note that this was not a new teaching, as we see this idea that our Messiah taught clearly stated in the Old Testament.
Let’s look into the idea of “loving your enemy” and the origins of this teaching written in the Old Testament Scriptures.
Exo 23:4,5  If thou meet thine enemy’s ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again. If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.
Pro 25:21  If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
Pro 24:17  Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:
Pro 29:10  The bloodthirsty hate the upright: but the just seek his soul.
The above verses of Scripture, show how God commands through Moses that everyone should love & help ones enemy not even permitting an enemy to fall into loss. God’s Word is clear that we should not turn away from providing for our enemies in need, and not even be glad when he or she is in trouble. We should even seek to bring him/her to the free Salvation our Heavenly Father provides.
But what was Yeshua(Jesus’ true name) referring to when he said “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy”? Some read Mat 5:43 and conclude that Yeshua is talking about an “old teaching” written in the Old Testament. But nowhere in the Old Testament would we be able to find such a teaching of “hating your enemy”.
Context of the teachings at the Sermon on the Mount
The “you have heard” – “but I say to you” teachings of Messiah start off at Mat 5:21. One needs to read only a few verses before, to understand the context of His teaching.
Mat 5:17-20  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So what is the context of His teaching, of “you have heard” – “but I say to you”? Notice the Scribes and the Pharisees mentioned just before His teaching. Notice how He says that whoever breaks the least of the Commandments or “teach” men to break them will be least in God’s Kingdom. Yeshua was talking about the Scribes & Pharisees of His day, who had taught a perverted version of God’s Word/Scripture (Old Testament). We have studied all about the teachings of the Pharisees in depth, in a previous post. But it is sufficient to say that Pharisees were going against God’s Word by their own “Traditions” also known as the “Oral Law”. Yeshua was teaching the crowds that had gathered around at His feet, that “they had heard” (from the teachers of their time – who were the Scribes and Pharisees) it being said “you shall love your neighbour, and hate your enemy”. But Yeshua was teaching them the proper Old Testament idea of “Loving even ones enemy”.
Conclusion
The “Sermon on the Mount”, just like all of Yeshua’s other teachings were rooted in God’s Word. He never spoke of Himself, but all that was the Word of God (Joh 7:16,17, 14:24). “Loving ones neighbor” was directly from the Scriptures (Lev 19:18) just as “Loving ones Enemy”. We should stop being biased against the Old Testament Scriptures and start reading it without preconceived notions, so that we can see it for what it is – God’s Word, which was confirmed by, and through, Yeshua – our Messiah.

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Matt 5 : 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.

following found here http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/5-43.htm
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(c) Love or Charity, 43–48.
43Thou shalt love thy neighbourLeviticus 19:18, “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” The second clause does not occur in Levit., but was a Rabbinical inference. Enemies, all who are outside the chosen race, the etymological force of the Greek word. Heathen writers bear testimony to this unsocial characteristic of the Jews. Juvenal says it was their rule—

from Bengel's

"The Jews abused the precept which had been given in reference to certain accursed nations, as in Deuteronomy 23:7; for they had also been commanded to love even their enemies. Christopher Cartwright[230] cites decrees of the Jews concerning the hatred of enemies.—See Book 2; Mellif. Heb. ch. 1."

[some of the commentators say Israel narrowed the meaning of Neighbor to be fellow Israelite and here Jesus is expanding the meaning to everyone. e.g. the Pulpit commentary: "The meaning of the words "neighbour" and "enemy" has been much discussed. In Leviticus, indeed, the meaning of "neighbour" is clear; it answers to "the children of thy people" in the preceding clause, i.e. it refers to members of the nation; all Israelites are termed "neighbours." The primary sense, therefore, of this whole precept is love to an Israelite, hatred to a non-Israelite (cf. Deuteronomy 25:17-19). As such, the precept was of value in cementing the unity of the nation and preventing greater exposure to the evils, moral and religious, found outside it. "

Matthew 5:43Ye have heard that it hath been said — In this, as is in the former instances, our Lord, intending to comprehend not only the law itself, but the explications of it given by the Jewish doctors, and said to be derived by tradition from the mouth of Moses, does not say, Ye know, but, Ye have heard, that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy — God enjoined the former part of this precept, Leviticus 19:18, and the scribes added the latter, abusing, it seems, the commands for destroying the Canaanites, to countenance such an addition, though this was in direct contradiction to many other scriptures. See Exodus 24:4-5Leviticus 19:17Proverbs 25:21But I say unto you, Love your enemies — To the narrow charity of the Jews, confined to their own brethren and men of their own religion, Christ here opposes his admirable precept, enjoining us, if we would be his genuine disciples, to love even our enemies; and that, by showing a sincere affection and good will to them who bear enmity or ill will to us; by manifesting our beneficence to them who, by their actions, show their hatred to us; by doing good to them for evil; by blessing them who with their mouths curse us; and by praying for God’s blessing upon them who revile and persecute us, as his followers. And this love he recommends, 1st, from the manifest absurdity of the Jewish doctrine, which made them no better, in this respect, than those sinners, publicans, and heathen, whom they allowed themselves to hate, &c.; 2d, that they, who boasted of it as their peculiar glory that they were the sons of God, might show that they really were so by their imitating His goodness who is kind to the unthankful and evil; 3d, because this would render his followers complete in the great duty of love and mercy to others, as he adds in the last clause. The following paraphrase on the different clauses of the passage may, perhaps, give the reader a clearer and fuller view of its meaning. Explaining what he intends, when he says, Love your enemies, he adds, Bless them that curse you — Give them kind and friendly language who rail, act, or speak evil of you; say all the good you can to, and of them. Do good to them that hate you — Repay love in thought, word, and deed, to those who really bear ill will to you, and show it both in their words and actions; and embrace every opportunity of promoting their welfare, both temporal and spiritual. And pray for those which despitefully use you, &c. — Besides doing all in your own power to advance their happiness, endeavour, by your prayers, to engage God also to befriend and bless 

by Rich Deem

Introduction

Vengeance or Love?

A common perception is that the Old Testament portrays a God of wrath and vengeance, whereas the God of the New Testament is more concerned about love and forgiveness. Does this perception accurately reflect the writings of these books?
Rich Deem
The Bible phrase "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" is a common perception of how the Old Testament deals with conflict between two parties. However, in speaking to the people of Israel, Jesus said that we should love even our enemies and do good to them:
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also... You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, (Matthew 5:38-3943-44)
Was Jesus changing the commands of the Old Testament or was He just restating what had already been commanded?

Love your neighbor

Many people who are unfamiliar with the Bible think that the command to love one's neighbor comes solely from the New Testament:
And He [Jesus] said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' " (Matthew 22:37-39)
However, when Jesus said this, He was quoting directly from Old Testament law:
'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:18)
Not only did the Old Testament command the Hebrews to love their neighbor, but the same command also warned the them not to take vengeance on their own or even bear a grudge (thinking or acting badly against a neighbor). The command applied not only to one's Hebrew neighbors, but also to the foreigner or alien who resided among them:
  • 'The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 19:34)
  • "So show your love for the alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt. (Deuteronomy 10:19)
So, what Jesus said was not something brand new, but was already a part of Old Testament law. So, why did Jesus have to say it?

Eye for an eye

So, where does this "eye for an eye" idea come from? It also comes from the Old Testament law. In fact, it was the prescribed punishment for crimes committed by one person against another. Previous to Old Testament law, punishment for a crime was usually much more severe than the crime itself (see Are the Old Testament Laws a Copy of the Code of Hammurabi?). However, unlike Jesus' examples of slapping one on the cheek or making one carry a heavy load, these were serious crimes, such as assault against a pregnant woman and murder.1 For these kinds of crimes, judges were given the authority to determine guilt and punishment - no different than we do in modern society. The authority to take an "eye for an eye" was never given to an individual,2 but always reserved for the legal system of the state. In Israel, not only were serious crimes punished, but false accusation of serious crime against an innocent party was to be punished "eye for an eye" so that "the rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among you."3

Good vs. evil

Not only were the Hebrews commanded not to take vengeance on their own, and love their neighbors, but they were told to eschew hatred and evil and practice good.4 However, like most people, the Hebrews were susceptible to taking the easy way of "solving" their problems. What is easier than doing payback against your neighbor when he does something against you? And one could cite the "eye for an eye" scripture as justification for one's actions (even though it really only applied to judgments by the legal system). This is why Jesus emphasized not taking one's own vengeance but doing good even to those who slight you. The teaching seemed new only because the people had strayed from God's original instructions.

Love in the Old Testament

Although the New Testament tends to be thought as emphasizing love more than the Old Testament, this is not necessarily true. In fact, there are over 150 verses in the Old Testament that describe the love that God has for people.5 This love is not to be one-way, since the Old Testament tells the people to return this love by loving God.6 So, contrary to popular perception, love is emphasized in the Old Testament as it is in the New Testament.

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The common perception that the God of the Old Testament is vastly different than the God of the New Testament is shown to be untrue. In both the Old and New Testaments, God is described as being loving, and love is emphasized as being the most important of God's laws. Both Old and New Testaments command people to love their neighbors, and even those who are different or outsiders to our own group. Both Testaments command people to do only good and not seek vengeance when wronged, but to allow the law to punish those who commit crimes. The Old Testament concept of an "eye for an eye" applied only to punishment for serious crimes, like assault, and was not to be carried out by individuals, but only through the judicial system.



Psalms 7,35,55,58,59,69,109, and139were written by David to ask God to bring judgment upon his enemies. (The other two imprecatory psalms, 79 and 137, were written by Asaph and an unknown psalmist.) These prayers were written not so much to exact revenge upon one’s enemies, but rather to emphasize God’s abhorrence of evil, His sovereignty over all mankind, and His divine protection of His chosen people. Many of these prayers were prophetic and could be seen taking place later in the New Testament in actual historical events.

When David prayed for God to shatter the teeth of his enemies, likening them to young lions pursuing him to his death, he was making the point that God is holy, righteous, and just, and He will ultimately judge the wicked for the evil they do. Jesus quoted some of the imprecatory psalms during His earthly ministry. InJohn 15:25, Jesus quotesPsalm 35:19and69:4, and Paul did so as well inRomans 11:9-10, which is a quote ofPsalm 69:22-23. Since Jesus and Paul quoted verses from these imprecatory psalms, it proves those psalms were inspired by God and removes all doubt that they were sinful or simply selfish prayers of revenge.


Here's a couple explanations, from the Catholic Encyclopedia and Fr. Hardon's Catholic Dictionary.

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The theological ideas of the Psalms are comprehensive; the existence and attributes of God, the soul's yearning for immortality, the economy of grace and the virtues, death, judgement, heaven, hell, hope of resurrection and of glory, fear of punishment — all the main dogmatic truths of Israel's faith appear again and again in her Psalter. These truths are set down not in dogmatic form, but now in the simple and childlike lyric yearning of the ingenuous soul, again in the loftiest and most vehement outbursts of which man's nature is capable. The Psalms are at once most human and most superhuman; they sink to the lowest depths of the human heart and soar to the topmost heights of Divine contemplation. So very human are the imprecatory psalms as to make some to wonder how they can have been inspired of God. Surely Jahweh cannot have inspired the singer who prayed:

"As for them that plan my soul to destroy, Down to the depths of the earth shall they go; To the grasp of the sword shall they be delivered; A prey to the jackals shall they become". — Psalm 83:10-11 (82:10-11)

Such an objection is based upon a misunderstanding. The perfection of the counsels of Christ is one thing, the aim of the good Levite is quite another thing. The ideals of the Sermon on the Mount are of higher spirituality than are the ideals of the imprecatory psalm. Yet the ideals of the imprecatory psalm are not bad — nay, are good, are Divine in their origin and authority. The imprecatory psalms are national anthems; they express a nation's wrath, not an individual's. Humility and meekness and forgiveness of foe are virtues in an individual; not necessarily so of a nation; by no means so of the Chosen Nation of Jahweh, the people who knew by revelation that Jahweh willed they should be a great nation and should put out their enemies from the land which he gave them. Their great national love for their own people postulated a great national love for Jahweh. The love for Jahweh postulated a hatred of the foes of Jahweh, and, in the theocratic economy of the Jewish folk, the foes of Jahweh were the foes of Israel. If we bear this national purpose in mind, and forget not that all poetry, and especially Semitic poetry, is highly coloured and exaggerated, we shall not be shocked at the lack of mercy in the writers of the imprecatory psalms.

Monday, May 12, 2014

Evangelization

from http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html

First, the council professes its belief that God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness. We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men. Thus He spoke to the Apostles: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined upon you" (Matt. 28: 19-20). On their part, all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know, and to hold fast to it.

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Wherefore every man has the duty, and therefore the right, to seek the truth in matters religious in order that he may with prudence form for himself right and true judgments of conscience, under use of all suitable means.
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Truth, however, is to be sought after in a manner proper to the dignity of the human person and his social nature. The inquiry is to be free, carried on with the aid of teaching or instruction, communication and dialogue, in the course of which men explain to one another the truth they have discovered, or think they have discovered, in order thus to assist one another in the quest for truth.
Moreover, as the truth is discovered, it is by a personal assent that men are to adhere to it.
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On his part, man perceives and acknowledges the imperatives of the divine law through the mediation of conscience. In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious. The reason is that the exercise of religion, of its very nature, consists before all else in those internal, voluntary and free acts whereby man sets the course of his life directly toward God. No merely human power can either command or prohibit acts of this kind.(3) The social nature of man, however, itself requires that he should give external expression to his internal acts of religion: that he should share with others in matters religious; that he should profess his religion in community. Injury therefore is done to the human person and to the very order established by God for human life, if the free exercise of religion is denied in society, provided just public order is observed.
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................Government therefore ought indeed to take account of the religious life of the citizenry and show it favor, since the function of government is to make provision for the common welfare. However, it would clearly transgress the limits set to its power, were it to presume to command or inhibit acts that are religious.
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Religious communities also have the right not to be hindered in their public teaching and witness to their faith, whether by the spoken or by the written word. However, in spreading religious faith and in introducing religious practices everyone ought at all times to refrain from any manner of action which might seem to carry a hint of coercion or of a kind of persuasion that would be dishonorable or unworthy, especially when dealing with poor or uneducated people. Such a manner of action would have to be considered an abuse of one's right and a violation of the right of others.

another good article: http://aleteia.org/2015/09/02/filling-our-empty-churches-reaching-out-without-dumbing-down/

DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

here are just a few excerpts ;

 Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)

The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.
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3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
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5. We cannot truly call on God, the Father of all, if we refuse to treat in a brotherly way any man, created as he is in the image of God. Man's relation to God the Father and his relation to men his brothers are so linked together that Scripture says: "He who does not love does not know God" (1 John 4:8).
No foundation therefore remains for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned.
The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)
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from here comment 62 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/10/vandrunen-on-catholic-inclusivity-and-change/

[responding to this first statement]
What’s so important about the 19th century? It was when Piux IX starting preaching “invincible ignorance” may allow non-Catholics to get to heaven. To me, it just sounds like the RCC was adapting to the times. Unless you can show me this train of thought existed before.
Augustine:
“God is not unjust, so as to deprive the just of the reward of justice, if the
sacrament of the divinity and humanity of Christ was not announced to
them.””Contra Iulianum,” 4. 3. 25. PL 44. 750.
St. Gregory of Nazianzus, said:
“He was ours even before he was of our fold. His way of living made him
such. For just as many of ours are not with us, whose life makes them
other from our body (the Church), so many of those outside belong to us,
who by their way of life anticipate the faith, and need (only) the name,
having the reality (ergon).”Oration 18.” 6. PG 35. 992; and “Oration 8.”
20. PG 35. 812. Cf. Luneau, “art. cit.,” 831-32.
Origen, Hegemonius, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Theodoret, and Primasius wrote about that the Logos was present since creation who wrote the law on hearts and even pagans who respond to Logos, even though they were neither a member of the Catholic Church nor aware that this interior Logos was God, or the Spirit of God or the Spirit of Christ, nevertheless, they can be saved. Justin said that all who follow the Logos (Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ) were (before Christ’s incarnation) and are Christians.
Cornelius the God-fearer did not know Christ yet God was pleased with his almsgiving. Before he was baptized and became incorporated into the Catholic Church, if he had died, do you think God would not have saved him? People damn themselves. It would be unjust for God to damn Cornelius even though he never knew Christ or joined the Church or was baptized. Such situations are referred to in the Catholic Church as the baptism of desire and the person would be saved. Another example of this is the thief on the cross. And the Holy Innocents, those babies two and under who were killed by Herod, are martyrs. This would be an example of baptism of blood.

end of quote

Friday, May 9, 2014

Mary--answering the question --how is this not a new doctrine?

See the other links on Mary on the sidebar as well

from here comment 234  http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/06/podcast-ep-17-jason-cindy-stewart-recount-their-conversion/#comment-87827
In particular, how is it that you were able to hold on the one hand that the Church has no authority to give new revelation nor add/subtract to that one deposit of faith given from the Apostles to the Episcopate, and on the other hand that some of these doctrines of Mary appear later in history?
This is a thoughtful question and one that consumed much of my attention when I began exploring the beliefs of the Catholic Church.
In working through this issue early on, I came across a few helpful paragraphs in Peter Kreeft’sCatholic Christianity. On page 18, having emphasized that the Church does not have the authority to change or delete any part of the deposit of faith, Kreeft writes:
That does not mean that the faith cannot change. It constantly changes—but by growth from within, like a living plant, not by alteration or construction from without, like a machine or a factory— or a man-made ideology, philosophy, or political system. The Church can further explore and explain and interpret her original deposit of faith, drawing out more and more of its own inner meaning and applying it to changing times—and in that sense she “changes” it by enlarging it—but she cannot change it by shrinking it.
Again, he writes on page 19:
The Church’s Tradition is ongoing because it is alive and grows new fruits—not new in kind, like apple trees growing pears, but new in size and beauty, like bigger and better apples. “[E]ven if Revelation is already complete, it has not yet been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries” (CCC 66). For instance, the Church’s doctrine on the divine and human natures of Christ, on the Trinity, on the canon of Scripture (the list of books in the Bible), on the seven sacraments, on the nature of the Church, on the authority of the pope, on Mary, and on social ethics has developed this way.”
I’m pressed for time at the moment but in a subsequent comment I’ll zero in on the important statement “appear later in history” in relation to Marian dogmas.

also from a coAs Kreeft has indicated, the Church’s Marian dogmas draw out what is implicit in the deposit of faith. The earlies in God’s redemptive plan are considered. This insight then provided the foundation for a deeper understanding of her conception, nature, the end of her earthly life, and her ongoing function as the Second Eve in the life of the Church.
mment 259 here http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2014/04/ancient-marian-devotion/

 ....mariology is in spirit and practice as unsubtle and spontaneous as the greeting of Elizabeth to the Blessed Virgin and Mother of God, recorded in Luke Chapter 1.
t Fathers recognize Mary as the New Eve, something not explicit in Scripture, but nevertheless seen as true when her role and activity

Also back in the 200's  St. Gregory Thaumaturgus, who lived from about 213-270 A.D.---gave a homily on Mary--which shows much of the doctrine: It can be found here http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-early-church-and-virgin-mary-st.html


also http://www.oodegr.co/english/ekklisia/oldest_theotokos_prayer.htm
Thanks for your comments. I am glad that we share that principle of the communion of the saints, that the parts of the body help one another even as they are vivified by the Head. If we share that, I believe that we are close too on Mary’s role in mediating grace to us, for the head is attached to the body by a neck. Beth’s and Friar Charles’s comments are worthy of reflection. If I am to add something, I would point out that the point about Mary as the New Eve was very helpful for me personally in understanding her preeminent role as a creature in the work of redemption. This idea can be found in the fathers as early as St. Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeus of Lyon (see Dialogue with Trypho 100.5, and Against Heresies III.22.4 and V.19.1, respectively). The Catholic approach to interpreting Scripture is that, acknowledging that God brought about and preserved the inspired Scriptures in and through the Church, one should read Scripture in the Church and under the guidance of the Fathers.
The basic idea underlying Mary’s co-mediation of all grace is that of there being a Woman who is the helper fit for the Man. Although Adam was the head of the human race by natural descent, Eve was the help fit unto him. Now Jesus Christ is the New Adam (cf. Romans 5, 1 Cor 15), and Mary is the New Eve made fit to be his helper (cf. Luke 1). Eve was a sinless virgin who is called by Adam both “Woman” (Genesis 2:2:23), who would become the “Mother of all the living” (Genesis 3:20); Mary is a sinless virgin who is called by the New Adam “Woman” (Jn 19:26), who becomes the “Mother” of the Beloved Disciple (Jn 19:27). The Beloved Disciple is himself a type for each believer, and thus Mary is seen to be the mother of all the faithful. This is clearer in Revelation 12. Jesus Christ is the “offspring/seed” who fulfills the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 (cf. Galatians 3:16), and yet the rest of the Church is called the “rest of her [the Woman's] offspring” in Revelation 12:17 (cf. v. 1).
The point then is, by God’s wisdom in raising up the lowly in order to fulfill the promise to Abraham to bless the nations (cf. Mary’s son in Lk 1:46-55), Mary became co-redeemer with the New Adam just as Eve was a co-sinner in the fall of the first Adam (1 Tim 2:14). Where Eve said no to God, Mary said yes (“Let it be done unto me according to thy word”). So, just as Eve is the mother of all those who live by nature, so Mary is the mother of all who are alive to God through grace (and also of all who have the potential alive to God by grace, and so of all human beings). As St. Ireneaus put it, Mary undid the knot of Eve’s disobedience when Mary consented to bear the savior of the human race. Thus our salvation comes to us through Mary, in her consent to the Incarnation and at her consent to Christ’s sacrifice at the foot of the cross. Mary’s role as co-mediatrix is greater than any other Christian’s role as a co-mediator with Christ.
Friar Charles recommended Bl. John Henry Newman’s writings on this. Two other sources are worthwhile. The first is the encyclical letter Ad diem illum by Pope St. Pius X on the fiftieth anniversary of the definition of Mary’s Immaculate Conception. Also helpful is the section of Vatican II’s document on the nature of the Church, Lumen gentium, that contains a prolonged meditation on Mary from paragraphs 52-69. In particular, paragraphs 60-62 are most relevant to this question of Mary’s role in communicating the grace of Christ to us.
Another helpful resource is Dr. Larry Feingold’s lecture series on Mary, including the talk on Mary’s spiritual maternity and mediation

The Mass/ some questions

This article deals with lots of different questions on the Mass: http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/liturind.HTM

What about silence during or before and after the Mass?  this link answers some questions:

Here is a good article (which actually is 2 articles) on the silence topic relating to the Mass.  If you read down near the bottom it says:

Before Mass there should be a general atmosphere of silence. This does not exclude a quiet word of greeting, a nod of recognition or a friendly handshake among the parishioners. What should be avoided is the steadily rising hum of multiple conversations in the pews, often on frivolous themes, interrupted only by the announcement that the celebration is about to begin. 

"The General Instruction of the Roman Missal, in No. 45, says: "Even before the celebration itself, it is commendable that silence to be observed in the church, in the sacristy, in the vesting room, and in adjacent areas, so that all may dispose themselves to carry out the sacred action in a devout and fitting manner." 

But here is the  link--which is  is good https://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur17.htm


"It is true that this may sometimes hinder the formation of a parish community spirit although this is above all a fruit of the liturgy rather than a result of human endeavor." 

Concerning candles; [http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=236270

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from http://www.romanrite.com/girm.html :
"117. The altar is to be covered with at least one white cloth. In addition, on or next to the altar are to be placed candlesticks with lighted candles: at least two in any celebration, or even four or six, especially for a Sunday Mass or a holy day of obligation. If the Diocesan Bishop celebrates, then seven candles should be used. Also on or close to the altar, there is to be a cross with a figure of Christ crucified."

also http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P3C.HTM#C0  the code of canon law-

Can.  940 A special lamp which indicates and honors the presence of Christ is to shine continuously before a tabernacle in which the Most Holy Eucharist is reserved.


from  https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/euchb1.htm

The chief liturgical divisions of the Mass are: the penitential rite, the liturgy of the word, the liturgy of the eucharist, the communion rite, and the concluding rite. For the sacrifice as such, only the double consecration is essential. Hence Pius XII taught, "When the consecration of the bread and wine is validly brought about, the whole action of Christ is actually accomplished. Even if all that remains could not be completed, still, nothing essential would be lacking to the Lord's offering" (Vous nous avez, To the Liturgical Conference of Assisi Sept 22, 1956). Hence the Great Amen is not the offering, it is a sort of extension, to give us further opportunity to join with Christ. The Communion follows up, giving us a share in the Divine Victim as He has commanded.

Tuesday, May 6, 2014

what Language was Matthew originally written in?

from comment 218 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/06/podcast-ep-17-jason-cindy-stewart-recount-their-conversion/

There are no manuscripts of the original autographs of the Gospels period. We have copies.
The reason why it is believed the Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic (or Hebrew) is because we have early testimony that this was indeed the case:
“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:1:1)
“Matthew compiled the sayings [of the Lord] in the Aramaic language, and everyone translated them as well as he could” (Explanation of the Sayings of the Lord [Papias, cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 3:39]).
“Among the four Gospels, which are the only indisputable ones in the Church of God under heaven, I have learned by tradition that the first was written by Matthew, who was once a publican, but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, and it was prepared for the converts from Judaism and published in the Hebrew language” (Commentaries on Matthew [Origen, cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 6:25]).
“Matthew had begun by preaching to the Hebrews, and when he made up his mind to go to others too, he committed his own Gospel to writing in his native tongue [Aramaic], so that for those with whom he was no longer present the gap left by his departure was filled by what he wrote” (Eusebius, History of the Church 3:24 [inter 300-325]).
Four early witnesses tell us the Gospel of Matthew was written in Aramaic or Hebrew.

ordination/ Holy Orders

from  208 here http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2014/03/the-quest-for-the-historical-church-a-protestant-assessment/

What is required for valid ordination are the proper a) Minister b) Matter , c) Form and d) Intention and e) Subject.. Matter is the laying on of hands and form is a theologically acceptable accompanying prayer of consecration. The Subject is the person being ordained. Minister and Intention are the biggies here. Intention must be to confer a sacrament. If there is not intention to administer a sacrament (in the Catholic sense) and impart sacramental grace then the ordination can not be valid. Intention is somewhat related to the form of the consecration. The words of the consecration should express and must not contradict the sacramental nature of the Holy Orders themselves, as well as the sacramental function of the ordained ministry particularly in offering the Eucharist. I assume mostpresbyterian do not believe ordination is sacramental? So, no I am not going to recognize Presbyterian Holy Orders just on those grounds. Proper minister means a man ordained with full Holy Orders to the Episcopacy, a validly ordained Bishop by chain of succession going back to the Apostles. Presbyterian do not claim to have a chain of ordination from the Apostles so on those grounds their ordinations are not valid.

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from the CCC

1538 Integration into one of these bodies in the Church was accomplished by a rite called ordinatio, a religious and liturgical act which was a consecration, a blessing or a sacrament. Today the word "ordination" is reserved for the sacramental act which integrates a man into the order of bishops, presbyters, or deacons, and goes beyond a simpleelection, designation, delegation, or institution by the community, for it confers a gift of the Holy Spirit that permits the exercise of a "sacred power" (sacra potestas)5 which can come only from Christ himself through his Church. Ordination is also called consecratio, for it is a setting apart and an investiture by Christ himself for his Church. The laying on of hands by the bishop, with the consecratory prayer, constitutes the visible sign of this ordination

Monday, May 5, 2014

infusion


from http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/07/st-augustine-on-law-and-grace/#conclusion
What St. Augustine says here about the relation of grace and law could not be preached today in PCA or OPC congregations; they would consider it heretical for allegedly confusing law and gospel. But St. Augustine’s account of the relation of grace and law is fully compatible if not organically identical with what we find in the Catholic Catechism. Consider again the difference between the Catholic and Reformed positions, as I summarized them at the beginning of this post. According to Reformed theology, justification is by God’s extra nos imputation of the obedience of Christ. By contrast, for St. Augustine, justification is by the infusion of grace and the theological virtues of faith, hope, and particularly agape. In Reformed theology, because of its notion of justification by imputed righteousness, being under grace means that our justification (or condemnation) does not depend on our law-keeping. Even though we grievously sin against all God’s commands and never keep any of them, God imputes to our account the obedience of Christ in our place, so that before Him we are as though we had never sinned. All we have to do is accept this gift with a believing heart.4 According to this position, our good works, even under grace, are “imperfect and stained with sin.”5 Even under grace “there is no sin so small, but it deserves damnation,”6 and even the most holy among us sin daily in thought, word, and deed. But God demands an entirely perfect righteousness, which only Christ has. Therefore, we can be saved only by the extra nos imputation of Christ’s righteousness. The Belgic Confession reads:
Therefore to say that Christ is not enough but that something else is needed as well is a most enormous blasphemy against God — for it would then follow that Jesus Christ is only half a Savior. And therefore we justly say with Paul that we are justified by faith alone or by faith apart from works.
That conclusion does not follow, because the Confession goes on to acknowledge that faith is necessary. And conceding the need for faith does not constitute a blasphemy against God. So the question concerns the means by which the grace of Christ  is communicated to us, what are the senses in which we attain Christ (both in this life and the next) and how we are to attain Christ. But the quotation indicates the reasoning underlying the Reformed notion that our justification is by faith alone, and through the extra nos imputation of Christ’s obedience.
By contrast, for St. Augustine (and the Catholic Church), being under grace does not mean that our justification (or condemnation) does not depend on our law-keeping. Rather, being under grace means having received grace from God into our hearts, and the infused virtues of faith, hope, and agape such that with this divine help we are enabled to keep the law, it being written on our hearts. This is what it means to walk in the newness of the Spirit. For St. Augustine, by the gift of infused grace and agape, the law is fulfilled in us, because agape fulfills the law. By grace we are enabled to love the law, and not be hearers only, but doers of the law. Grace does not take away our obligation to fulfill the law; it does not mean that Christ fulfills the law so that we do not have to do so. Rather, grace enables to us to keep the law, and so truly fulfill the law, not by extra nos imputation nor, like Pelagius, by ourselves without grace, but through grace by God working in us to will and to do what is pleasing in His sight, i.e. living in accordance with His royal law. The Reformed conception of grace is in this respect a weaker conception of grace, because such grace is unable to make us capable of fulfilling the law. But St. Augustine’s (and the Catholic Church’s) doctrine of grace is a more powerful or higher view of grace, because for St. Augustin grace is the power of God in us enabling us to keep the law and so be truly well-pleasing in His sight.
This overview of St. Augustine’s soteriology indicates that Benjamin Warfield was mistaken when he claimed that the Reformation was the triumph of Augustine’s soteriology over his ecclesiology. The early Protestants not only departed from St. Augustine’s ecclesiology, but also from his soteriology.
  1. There are objections to this Reformed doctrine of imputation. I cannot address them in this post, but roughly they go like this. If at the moment of imputation nothing is actually transferred from Christ to me, and from me to Christ, but rather, God merely no longer sees things as they actually are, i.e. He stops seeing Christ as righteous and me as guilty, and starts seeing Christ as guilty and me as righteous (even though in actuality nothing in Christ or me has changed), then there is no difference between ‘real imputation’ and imputation as legal fiction. In other words, if extra nosimputation were simply a legal fiction, there would be nothing different about it. Another objection goes like this. My account before God is an account of my heart. Because God is omniscient and Truth, He cannot lie or be deceived. Whatever He speaks is true. So if my heart is evil, then my account before God must be that my heart is evil. God cannot call what is evil good, without changing it from evil to good, lest He be a liar. Likewise, if Christ’s heart is good, then His account before God must be that His heart is good. God cannot without lying say that Christ’s account is evil, when Christ’s heart is good, without making Christ’s heart evil. So if at the moment of extra nos imputation nothing changes in me, and nothing changes in Christ, then when God changes my account from evil to good, but without changing my heart from evil to good, this entails that God is lying about me. Likewise, when God changes Christ’s account from good to evil, without changing Christ’s heart from good to evil, this entails that God is lying about Christ. But God cannot lie. Therefore extra nos imputation is impossible. []
see also http://nannykim-catholicconsiderations.blogspot.com/2011/09/imputation-or-

infusion.html

and found here  http://pontifications.wordpress.com/justification/  found in the Sept 13 section

 “The grace of Christ,” the Catholic Catechism tells us, “is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is thesanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification.” At no point, according to the Catholic Church, can justification be understood as sinful man pulling himself up by his bootstraps; nor can it be understood as man earning his way into heaven by his good works; nor can it even be understood as a team effort, with God doing his part (perhaps a big part) and man doing his part (perhaps just a little bitty part). The work of justification is God’s work. God justifies man by graciously incorporating him through Baptism into his Trinitarian life and making him a new creation by the Holy Spirit.

A quote from St. Augustine found here at comment
131 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2014/05/the-witness-of-the-lost-christianities/
...the Tractate on John, Augustine explains that the grace of God makes us just by pouring the love of God into our hearts, not by imputation:

What is this, God’s righteousness and man’s righteousness? God’s righteousness here means, not that wherein God is righteous, but that which God bestows on man, that man may be righteous through God. But again, what was the righteousness of those Jews? A righteousness wrought of their own strength on which they presumed, and so declared themselves as if they were fulfillers of the law by their own virtue. But no man fulfills the law but he whom grace assists, that is, whom the bread that comes down from heaven assists. For the fulfilling of the law, as the apostle says in brief, is charity. Romans 13:10 Charity, that is, love, not of money, but of God; love, not of earth nor of heaven, but of Him who made Heaven and earth. Whence can man have that love? Let us hear the same: The love of God, says he, is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us. Romans 5:5

and
Furthermore, in his Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, Augustine explains the article “On the remission of sins” completely in light of the Church’s sacramental and liturgical tradition:
You have [this article of] the Creed perfectly in you when you receive Baptism . . . When you have been baptized, hold fast a good life in the commandments of God, that you may guard your Baptism even unto the end. . . For the sake of all sins was Baptism provided; for the sake of light sins, without which we cannot be, was prayer provided. . . Only, do not commit those things for which you must needs be separated from Christ’s body: which be far from you! For those whom you have seen doing penance, have committed heinous things, either adulteries or some enormous crimes: for these they do penance. Because if theirs had been light sins, to blot out these daily prayer would suffice. In three ways then are sins remitted in the Church; by Baptism, by prayer, by the greater humility of penance.
When Augustine does expound the meaning of justification, he does so in a way fully consistent with this tradition. He insists that faith alone does not save, and that those in the church who commit gross sins must “wash it away in penitence,” or “redeem it by almsgiving.”
See his work, de fide et operibus.

and from comment 132
De spiritu et littera, 15: “It is by God’s gift, through the help of the Spirit, that a man is justified . . . It is not, therefore, by the law, nor is it by their own will, that they are justified; but they are justified freely by His grace — not that it is wrought without our will; but our will is by the law shown to be weak, that grace may heal its infirmity; and that our healed will may fulfill the law.”
(De spiritu et lit, 45): “For what else does the phrase being justified signify than being made righteous—by Him, of course, who justifies the ungodly man, that he may become a godly one instead?




 Extra nos means outside of us; “infused” means poured into us. Extra nos is not about the source or origin of the righteous, but about where it is in relation to us. Extra nos imputation means that the righteousness is outside of us, and not within us. That’s how it differs from the Catholic conception of imputation, which is not extra nos. (See comment #140 above, where I explain the Catholic conception of imputation, which is not extra nos.)

substitution

from comment 437 here http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/04/catholic-and-reformed-conceptions-of-the-atonement/#comment-86421

How then can the work of Christ be truly said to have been performed in our “name” or “stead”?
The answer is in that same paragraph (Trent VI.7):
the final cause is the glory of God and of Christ and life everlasting; the efficient cause is the merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance, the meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited for us justification by His most holy passion on the wood of the cross and made satisfaction for us to God the Father,
He did it for us, meriting justification for us, making satisfaction for us, so that we might have everlasting life.

Sunday, May 4, 2014

relationship of churches outside of Roman Catholicism

from comment 147 here http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2012/06/podcast-ep-17-jason-cindy-stewart-recount-their-conversion/

It is true that in the CIP, the Catholic Church is the one true Church. Orthodox and other communities with valid holy orders and bishops are in schism from that Church, and are in imperfect communion with her. Protestant communities are “ecclesial communities,” that have “many elements of the Church of Christ, which allow us, amid joy and hope, to acknowledge the existence of a certain communion, albeit imperfect.” This is explained here:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_28051992_communionis-notio_en.html

from an article here http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2014/08/loyalties-to-our-people-a-reply-to-d-stephen-long

Stephen notes that the Catechism of the Catholic Church “does not consider Protestants to be heretics, apostates, or non-Christians.” This is true, but there is more to the picture. If from the Catholic perspective, the Protestant condition were not in any way deficient, then from the Catholic perspective there would be no reason to be Catholic rather than Protestant. So the question cannot be determined only by noting the positive truths and goods in Protestantism recognized and affirmed by the Catholic Church. Answering the question must include considering what, from the Catholic Church’s perspective, the Protestant as such is missing. Catholic theology distinguishes between formal and material heresy. The Protestant is not necessarily in a state of formal heresy, that is, morally culpable for his or her denials of certain Catholic dogmas. But nevertheless a person, whether Catholic or Protestant, who denies a Catholic dogma is in that respect at least in a condition of material heresy. Likewise, a Protestant is not necessarily in a state of formal schism, culpable for being in schism from the Church. But a Protestant as such is at least in a state of material schism, not being in full communion with the Church, and therefore is in him or herself not showing forth to the world the unity Christ calls us through love to show to the world. Being in schism, even if only materially, is not a victimless error, because it obscures the love of God to the world and calls into question our testimony as Christians, as Pope Benedict XVI explained:
Leading men and women to God, to the God who speaks in the Bible: this is the supreme and fundamental priority of the Church and of the Successor of Peter at the present time. A logical consequence of this is that we must have at heart the unity of all believers. Their disunity, their disagreement among themselves, calls into question the credibility of their talk of God. Hence the effort to promote a common witness by Christians to their faith – ecumenism – is part of the supreme priority. (Letter Concerning the Remission of Excommunication, 2009)


Furthermore, according to the Catholic Church through the sacraments, and especially through the sacrament of the Eucharist, we grow in the supernatural love poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, and thus in our union with God. Though as Unitatis Redintegratio teaches, significant elements that build up and give life to the Church can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church, nevertheless because Protestant communions did not retain the sacrament of Holy Orders, therefore from the Catholic point of view they do not have the Eucharist, for reasons I’ve explained here. And therefore from the Catholic perspective they do not have the fullness of the divinely established means of growing in grace and love for Christ. The importance of the Eucharist is such that the Protestant-Catholic question cannot be determined apart from it, and from underlying questions such as whether valid ordination is necessary for a valid Eucharist, what constitutes a valid ordination, and who has the authority to decide such questions.

.........................If the elements of sanctification I enjoyed as a Protestant came from the Catholic Church, and had their rightful place in full communion with the Catholic Church, then love for the Church impelled me to seek by all means not to remain in a state of schism from her, even if I had been in a state of grace in that condition of imperfect communion.

.......................... Christ only founded one Church. And I am called to suffer in and with that Church, even in the shame of the sins of her members, just as I must suffer in the shame of the public sins of my family. I do not in such cases get to choose a new family.


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In a discussion found in the comment section of this post:  http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2016/05/the-law-of-love/#comment-205112http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2016/05/the-law-of-love/#comment-205112

First, the Church is Christ’s provision to mankind for the reconciliation of all peoples: That they all become part of this supernatural society and partake from the one loaf which is Christ. Families always break bread together, and the sundered family of the First Adam is rightly reconciled around the table of the Second.
But does this mean that, if people who through no fault of their own (invincible ignorance) are unaware of the Church, still attempt to be reconciled to their neighbor, God should intervene to stop it?

Not at all! It is fitting that God should permit and even supernaturally assist the reconciliation between, say, a Chinese man and a Japanese who were descendants respectively of a victim and a perpetrator of the Rape of Nanking. “But I thought the Church was God’s tool for the reconciliation of all?” Yes, it is; and all things being equal, the Sino-Nipponese reconciliation would go better were they both Catholics! But if they lack that, if they are invincibly ignorant of any reason to inquire about RCIA, God still wishes their reconciliation. So, if His intended tool — the Church — is not available for the task, He doesn’t give up on the task. He just accomplishes it in alternative and unpredictable ways.
And because God doesn’t provide things like the Church unnecessarily, we can reason that those alternative and unpredictable ways are not quite so effective as the Church (all things being equal). His “perfect” will is where we find His best provision; but, His “permissible” will still has graces.

Allow me to paraphase the apostle Paul here: For God showers down His graces on all peoples, giving the Torah to the Hebrews, but showing “His invisible power” to the Gentiles “through that which He created,” such that “the righteous requirement of the Torah was written on their hearts” and they “became a Torah unto themselves.” And thus throughout the whole Mosaic covenant He judged the hearts of all men, either Israelite or Gentile, according to the each one’s cooperation with the light he had received, and thus God “showed no partiality.”

But what God revealed to Moses is still clearer, isn’t it, than what He wrote on the hearts of the Gentiles? So if a Gentile — say, a Roman centurion in 25 A.D. — were to become aware of the Torah and the Temple, he ought to become a “Godfearing” Gentile and gain greater benefit from God’s revelation, that his own conscience become better formed. But if he were invincibly ignorant of Judaism, he could still make use of natural virtue and “the righteous requirement of the Torah” written in his heart, and be content with his pay and not extort those around him. (He didn’t need to wait for Jesus to show up, to command him that!)
Analogy: If you’re driving a bold through a beam and into a nut on the other side, and you’ve lost your socket set, you may have to make do with pliers. And that’s fine…right up until one finds the socket set! After that, it’s just foolish to use the less-effective tool instead of the one that’s designed for the job. When the socket set is lost, you’re “invincibly ignorant”; after you’ve found it, your failure to make use of it is culpable.

Another analogy: The Church’s Magisterium, and her hierarchy, are Christ’s provision for the knowledge of God’s will in matters of faith and morals and for the authoritative leading and organizing of the faithful in well-ordered liturgical practice.

But does that mean that a born-and-raised Baptist like I once was, who’d never met any Catholics and was vaguely aware of Catholicism as “some weird thing they do in movies, and over in Europe” was helplessly unable to know moral truth, or doomed to worship Him in a disordered way? Not at all! And just because I was separated from the tool God provided, would God actively prevent me from knowing moral truth and worshiping Him in a fitting way? Certainly not; it is in His character to help, not hinder.

So God saw to it that His actual grace was communicated through a somewhat-abridged Catholic book called “The (Protestant) Bible” and through the good intentions and faithful service of my Sunday School teachers.

But once I was confronted with the evidence of Christian history and the logic of the Catholic position, my situation changed. Prior to that, I was (I can reasonably believe) invincibly ignorant of the need of belonging to the Catholic Church. But after that, if I neglected to make use of God’s more-magnificent and more “official” provision for moral truth and fitting worship, then that would be my fault. And looking back, I can see that I had access to moral truth during those years; but I have access to more moral truth now. And in worship, I have substituted a sandwich of sermon-on-hymns-with-announcements (read: like pastrami on rye with mustard; where the sermon is the meat, the hymns are the surrounding bread, and the announcements…well, no, they can’t be analogous to brown deli mustard because they were generally pretty flavorless, but anyway, you get the picture); anyway, I’ve gone from “hymn sandwich” to The Mass, the “Divine Liturgy,” where God Himself becomes sacramentally present under the forms of bread and wine, and I receive in my body and soul “the medicine of immortality.”
The ad-hoc make-do substitute, and the Real Thing, are not equivalent substitutes.
To summarize:

Regarding Reconciliation of Peoples:
1. Q: What provision has God made for reconciliation of the sundered family of Adam? A: The Church.
2. Q: What does God do, if people (who are outside the Church through no fault of their own) try to reconcile? A: He helps them.
3. Q: Is the help they receive outside the Church as beneficial as that they could receive inside it? A: Probably not, even for those who are invincibly ignorant of the Church; and certainly not, if they know about the Church but reject membership in her.
4. Q: So what should they do? A: If they are outside the Church, reconcile the best they can and cooperate with whatever grace God provides in that non-normative situation. If they are inside the Church, reconcile the best they can and cooperate with the greater graces God provides through His normative means.

Regarding Moral Truth And Fitting Worship:
1. Q: What provision has God made for providing knowable moral truth and authoritatively organized worship for humanity? A: The Church.
2. Q: What does God do, if people (who are outside the Church through no fault of their own) try to obtain moral truth and worship God? A: He helps them.
3. Q: Is the help they receive outside the Church as beneficial as that they could receive inside it? A: Probably not, even for those who are invincibly ignorant of the Church; and certainly not, if they know about the Church but reject membership in her.
4. Q: So what should they do? A: If they are outside the Church, they should be as moral, and as morally-informed, as they can; and worship God the best they can, cooperating with whatever graces God provides in that non-normative situation. If they are inside the Church, they cooperate with the greater graces God provides through His normative means: The Magisterium, and the bishops and priests in communion with the pope.
In those two examples we see clear parallels. There is a pattern we can follow.
Applying that pattern to your specific question, Nes, here is what I conclude….

Regarding Actual Grace And Sanctifying Grace, Especially Divine Charity:
1. Q: What provision has God made for gracing the souls of the faithful? A: The Church.
2. Q: What does God do, if people (who are outside the Church through no fault of their own) seek Him and pray for Him to fill their hearts with His love? A: He helps them.
3. Q: Is the help they receive outside the Church as beneficial as that they could receive inside it? A: Probably not, even for those who are invincibly ignorant of the Church; and certainly not, if they know about the Church but reject membership in her.
4. Q: So what should they do? A: If they are outside the Church, continue seeking Him in prayer and Scriptures and a life of humility and moral purity and love-of-neighbor, cooperating with whatever grace God provides in that non-normative situation. If they are inside the Church, they should do all the same things, AND receive additional graces through the Sacraments, which are His normative means.
The pattern seems to fit perfectly, doesn’t it?

I suspect, then, it would be wrong to suggest that those of the baptized who are outside the church (through no fault of their own) have no divine charity in their hearts. That would be to say that God uncharacteristically refused to help them achieve exactly what He desires for them — because of a deficiency which isn’t even their fault! That’s unlikely.
But, it seems entirely reasonable to suggest that, all things being equal, their divine charity and holiness might be twice what it is, if they only had the benefit of God’s normative means. For when God establishes such a thing as “normative means,” for any purpose, He doesn’t do it needlessly. He thinks we need, or at least can tremendously benefit from, the Sacraments.
Does that help?

[the comment that follows this one gave some corrections or clarification in comment 31]:

One other thing:

I notice — how I wish we could make revisions of our posts after posting! — that in my last, I used the expression, “those of the baptized who are outside the church….” (2nd-to-last paragraph.)

That was a poor choice of words, and anyway, the whole paragraph structure was less clear than it should have been,

So here is my corrected version:

“I suspect, then, that it would be wrong to assert that your Protestant friends have no divine charity in their hearts. Those of the baptized who, by virtue of their baptism, have a certain imperfect communion with the Catholic Church, but who (through no fault of their own) remain outside the boundaries of full communion, are still adopted sons and daughters of God. He still desires their sanctification. If we were to insist that He refused to give them any such graces on account of their lack of (some) sacraments, we would be saying that God uncharacteristically refused to help them achieve exactly what He desires for them — because of a deficiency which isn’t (we presume) even their fault! That’s unlikely.”

I think that’s better.




Thursday, May 1, 2014

catechumens and candidates

http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/how2.htm  This links explains how one becomes Catholic and what the different steps are if one is a catechumen or a candidate.

baptism and confirmation

The link below explains the sacraments of Baptism and confirmation

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0285.htmlhttp://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0285.html

also  http://www.beginningcatholic.com/confirmation.html

and by Peter Kreeft  on Baptism and Confirmation and the catechism: http://www.beginningcatholic.com/confirmation.html  This is very helpful

see Ott's book 350 ff for Baptism and Pg 361ff for confirmation

see episode 7 of Symbolon ; the Catholic faith explained.

In explanation of  one of the differences between the 2 , Ott on page 366 explains:

"Assertions of the Fathers (for example , Tertullian, De Bapt. 6 and 8) , ascribing to Baptism the effect of forgiveness of sins and to Confirmation the effect of the communication of the Holy Ghost, must not be understood in an exclusive sense. The forgiveness of sins is inseparable from the conferring of grace.  For this reason the baptised [sic] person also receives sanctifying grace and with it, the Holy Ghost.  Cf. St. Cyprian, Ep. 74,5: 'There cannot be Baptism without  the (Holy) Ghost.'  But the supernatural effect of the Holy Ghost in Baptism is different from that in Confirmation.  In the former the Holy Ghost effects the rebirth into supernatural life, in the latter the perfection of the supernatural life."

"b) The specific operation of Confirmation is the perfection of Baptismal Grace.
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Corresponding to its particular purpose of strengthening the recipient to give testimony to Christ (Acts I,8) the sanctifying grace conferred in Confirmation bestows a heightened power for the inward strengthening and the courageous outward confession of faith.................

The Fathers ascribe to Confirmation the perfection of that supernatural life which derives from Baptism.  St. Ambrose says of the sealing with the Holy Ghost (spiritale signaculum) which occurs at Baptism: 'After the Baptism there still remains that it be perfected.....

ON Page 365-6
    a) As a Sacrament of the living, Confirmation effects (per se) an increase of Sanctifying Grace.....
"In Holy Writ and in ancient Christian tradition (see Par.I) the chief effect of Confirmation is not, as a rule, called the communication of grace, but the communication of the Holy Ghost.  However, the supernatural presence of the Holy Ghost implies the conferring of sanctifying grace; for the Holy Ghost, who, with the Father and the Son, is already substantially present in the soul in a natural manner as the cause of its natural being, takes up His abode in the soul of the just man in a new and supernatural manner and thereby joins the soul to God in a close supernatural union, by means of sanctifying grace, so that it shares in an intimate way in the Divine Life itself...

[ON Baptism  , page 354] :

"1. Justification
           Baptism confers the grace of justification
As justification consists, negatively, in the remission of sin, positively, in the sanctification and renewal of the inner man (D 799), so Baptism, provided that the proper dispositions (Faith and sorrow for sin) are present, effects: a) the eradication of sins, both original sin and, in the case of adults, also all personal, mortal or venal sins; b) inner sanctification by the infusion of sanctifying grace , with which the infused theological [faith, hope,love] and moral virtues and the gifts of the Holy Ghost are always joined.....

{note the moral virtues:
    "Which are the chief moral virtues? --The chief moral virtues are prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance; these are called cardinal virtues.
    All other moral virtues spring from the cardinal virtues. These are called cardinal from cardo, the Latin word forhinge, because all our moral actions turn on them as a door turns upon its hinges. All other moral virtues depend on them. [go here for more explanation of moral virtues: https://www.readability.com/articles/tttlnkdy
    also virtues are discussed in 1803 ff of the CCC